Not only does it take time to shoot, but it's also not enough to stop a cougar from coming at you. My mountain weapon is a 458 SOCOM, semi-auto, from a 8in barrel, eotech halo-graphic, green laser and 1000 lumen light, with a 300gr lead tip hollow point. Florida State Lawmakers Introduce 'Constitutional Carry', The Staccato CS Brings Real Performance to the Concealed, Meet ROSE: SIG SAUER's Complete Concealed Carry Solution for, Honolulu Issues First Concealed Carry License. Ruger alaskan, or Taurus Raging Bull in 5 or 6.5 ported, .480 ruger with 400g hardcast pushing 1100fps or more. As most readers are probably aware, a cougar (aka mountain lion) attacked a couple of mountain bikers in California last month [ Outside Online News: January 9 . Curiosity got the better of them, and they managed to discharge the canisters in their hotel room that night. I carry both in a Blackhawk Alaska Guide Holster in the field, and in a Galco leather CCW holster under my belt in town: since being on TV, I learned that stalkers can be just as dangerous a charging bear. Under normal circumstances, the lion would have returned to eat the prey. My only proof of that assertion goes back 17 years when I was unkowingly walking my blind dog very near a collared grizzly sow with two cubs. He put his mouth directly on top of his head, and I think if the head had been smaller, hed have been picked up.. That accounted for its lethargic behavior when it quietly approached they boy and his cousin near a river in Arizonas Tonto National Forest. Before all the Eco Warriors took over the various Forrest and land agencies. But please.no one has mentioned marine flares..is the problem that they do not work or that they are too slow to activate. I found it on the Internet in a read only document. Why dont you go out in the woods and try out some of your hollowpoints . A single bite around the throat from a mountain lion can be fatal to prey . A .38 snubby? All cats are rats. Then you could shoot them from a distance and up close and personal, and I dont care if it is heavy, power is knowing your prepared ! Conflicts between mountain lions and humans have become more common in recent years due to habitat degradation and increasing populations. thanx again. I read an article recently that said you are statistically more likely to survive a bear attack using mace rather than a sidearm. I had never shot a bear before , so I decided to put it down with a shot to the next. Disease is a greater concern when lions are genetically isolated as in the Santa Ana Mountains, and could potentially contribute to future decline in that population. Been involved in 2 grizz encounters. Though perhaps semi-obsolete, if not obsolete for law enforcement The free enterprise system in Africa works for big game, and for the villagers. Good article. 44 mag is a minimum and it would have to be a DA version. Personally, I'd feel the best with a .44 mag, .45LC, or 45-70 in a Marlin carbine. 44 mag or most any other caliber in those ranges if the person using it knows how to shoot. I prefer to carry a .460 Roland built on .45 Colt ACP 1911 chassis. I want POWER ! That is a political and social problem.. Moutain Lions arent bear-zombie-meat-tanks. (I have killed or watched others kill several with an ax when I was guiding. I carry my Ruger SP101 357 on me always, and when camping, I have my 45-70 close by. death by wild beast is now becoming more common. Bears have a way of sneaking up on you. This article leaves folks thinking their 45 or 9mm or single action is excellent bear medicine the fact is they are just poor at best. You have been reading to many comic books. This is perfect mountain lion habitat. If one only goes out when and where a mild breeze at most is at their back on a sunny day.. Well you get my drift. There are many reviews of this caliber online. .38spl are pretty light loads. I read with interest the side arms in bear country. In my penetration testing I also included a 30 Tokarev as from my experiences in Vietnam I knew they were great penetrators. Lion hides or heads without seals become state property. And yet if you carry an effective caliber/bullet combination for coyotes and small mountain lions, you are seriously underpowered for the big beasts in the woods. The Blackhawk is tough as nails, and while it may not have the prestige of a Colt Single Action Army, it is utterly dependable. Both holsters always pack into camp with me. A mountain lion killed some goats about a half mile from us. Ive lived and hunted and fished in Alaska since 1993. When confronted by a threat.. you need to tick off a very short, well reasoned and practiced list. Between airlines, public transportation, hotels, ferryboats, etc. When it comes to the coastal brown bear, thats a whole different animal. A perfect shot to the brain may stop a griz or black bear with a smaller caliber but you cant count on a perfect shot every time. We dont know what caliber, make or model the handgun was. A black bear sow protecting a cub from your invasion of their space will have her way with you till she decides shes done. My choice is the 500 S&W. It was the first handgun I ever purchased.. The 4-3-1 rule is a good rule of thumb, however, I agree with the comments about a 10mm. That combo gets exceptional penetration you just have to have a revolver that can handle it like that the Ruger, Freedom Arms, etc. Hunting and slaughtering are hardly a comparison. Good responses. The issues penetration. I want to be able to pump 8 to 18 rounds in his head as fast as I can. You combine the penetration of .45 Long Colt with the facial (and nose) disruption of a .410 shotgun shell. I am 80 years old remember my dad had a meat market . Buffalo bore makes a 380 grain hardcast gas checked round now too. In this case, fortunately, the uncle had time to retrieve the handgun from a vehicle. The 30-50 yd accuracy is simple.AMAZING SHOT PLACEMENT WITH POWER. Good stuff. This may not have been a great time for firearm but it begs the questions: (1) What's a good caliber to stop a cat at 3 - 20 yds, and (2) what kind of round (solid, hollow point)? Just aim above the front tire, through the fender taking out the engine block. I think anybody going into bear country should read the article about bear defense guns and ammo @ garrettcartridges.com This should answer most questions on the subject. Bye the way thats 6 rounds of death spitting out of the end of that gun ! COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Department spokesperson Peter Tira told LA Times: "It's been a day-to-day, hourly kind of situation. The species are abundant in the state, numbering around 4,000 to 6,000 estimated creatures. The Marine carried an AR15/M4 .223 REM/5.56MM. I was helping a friend butcher a hog he had raised. That said, here are my picks. I recently read the account of a man in Oregon who survived a black bear attack. A 45 Long Colt? She hid, and downed it with one behind the ear at very close range, and followed up with five more (all the bullets she had) to make sure. Light to carry, manageable recoil, do a quick reload of 125jhp and your good for CCW. Great advice. I carry either my Ruger Alasken 44 mag, or my Ruger GP 100 in 44 Special with custom loaded 255 gr. I shot a 1000+ lb. A .38 caliber revolver naturally makes an ideal companion for fishing, camping, hunting, ( Watch a Florida panther pass . As I think about it, I very well might start doing what commenter New Continental Army suggested: carry two guns. This has way more energy and velocity ahah a standard loading and the judge and governor probably would not safely shoot those loads. Although the species is protected, landowners can request a special permit to catch or kill a mountain lion if it has killed livestock and caused damage. So far, Ive never seen anything bigger than a hare, but it never hurts to be careful. My 10mm load is right at 700. coyote-wolf hybrids Not trying to be cute, but when you slaughter a hog, you shoot them in the head. What can a .38 special kill? If that is the mountain lion in the background why is it field dressed. After a comment like that, Im certain that youre an expert in the art of defensive purse swinging. Leave bear territory, do a quick mag switch and your back to the right rounds for CCW. I love packing iron, but in a 44 mag, 300 grain load minimum for bigger critters. Not only is a 45 Colt that is hand loaded right there with the 44 magnum, or even out performing the 44 magnum. Can you shoot while on your back or while youre being chewed on? His eyes were as wide as saucers, and he was taking strides twice as long as his normal gait would produce. Yes it is a bit heavy, but as said earlier.with a charging bear 8.5lbs of 458 SOCOM feels like a down pillow . When I asked him for his insight, he was kind enough to respond in detail. I wouldnt recommend anything less than .44 mag or equivalent. Fortunately the latter emptied his 4 Smith and Wesson Model 66 Mine rides in a Diamond D Guides Choice model. (https://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/bear%20spray.pdf) Of course, I dont live in Alaska, nor have I ever killed a bear. Winchester lists their .410 GA slugs as 1800 feet per second. However, I can get 2 aimed shots with my hot 10mm for every one with any big bore revolver Ive ever shot. bear which turned on him. One must realize that with the adrendeline flowing, a moving target and possibly poor light conditions it is not easy to hit well with a hand gun no matter how good you are at the range! from the bear. Will a 9mm or 38 spl kill a bear? Hard cast is king. You cant load the right ammo for bear defense, but its better than a sharp stick. His dad stopped a charging brown with a .500 S&W pistol a few years ago. I was able to aim and take the shot; it tore me up having to kill that nuisance bear that should have been relocated. Si saw a black bear last year, and got lost running away from it. An official from the department visited the farm shortly after the incident and found tracks belonging to the animal, according to local news reports. I stopped the pickup and as it went down the incline one shot hit the abdominal cavity and another between the shoulder blades, it crawled about two feet and died. All shots were heart lung ,,,edit,, All shots were attempted heart lung. 3-6 .357 mag with 200g hardcast at 1250fps or more, depending on barrel length. While out horseback riding, I cant tell you how many rattlers Ive killed rattlers with my 9mm. A mountain lion would win a fight against a wolf. Plenty of good options in DA revolvers tried and true .44 mag, .454 casull, .460 S&W, etc. From the Noatak to Frazier Lake, Kodiak, Ive seen a lot of bears. I was very intrigued by their weapons selection. Do you have an animal or nature story to share with Newsweek? Texas Teens Getting Carry Licenses! In Africa the wholesale slaughter of wild game was done to make room for agriculture and the safety of the farmers many of whom blasted off their feet the entire big game population for miles around. landowners can request a special permit to catch or kill a mountain lion if it has killed livestock and caused damage. The compilation lists 61 mountain lion attacks that resulted in injuries in the 16 and a half years, and at least 31 cases where attacks were thwarted by aggressive action. Penetration and shot placement are king. Couple Im friends with have a vacation home in NW Montana(we all live in So. pistol. My first handgun was just that at age 18, and now I tote a Blackhawk Hunter in .45, loaded with 325 gr HC with GC and 22 grains of H-110 (Ruger Blackhawk or Thompson Contender ONLY!!!) If you put a 6.25 inch barrel on the glock 20 it is very capable of stopping most large animals. For both wilderness/rural vs. urban/metro I cannot You'd be much, much better off with bear spray. By Anders Anglesey On 11/3/21 at 11:39 AM EDT. I havent seen any of his Buddys to verify his story, But they like Jack, they have all passed away. I have a CZ52 that shoots the old PPsH Tokarev LMG round. . But If a close attack by a bear happens, I sure wouldnt want a single action revolver. With respect to the brownies, I have reached out to the bear guides, residents and hunters for their wisdom and experience on the matter, to find out exactly which sidearms they favor and why. One lion can consume up to 20 or 30 pounds of meat in a single meal. Weve got them here in the Central Mountains of Utah. The study found that adult male lions were more likely to kill less but bigger prey than females. After I put it down with my .357 magnum, we found both 9mm rounds stuck in the skull. A mountain lion was mauling her 5-year-old son in front of her. With a 5 inch un-ported barrel, 300 grain hard cast solids, cut an X on the point with a fine hack saw about 1/8 of an inch deep. into the Grizzly point blank range killing it. so dont tell me or others you rough it in the Alaskan wilderness because thats bullshit. Her reaction was the right one, experts said, no matter how risky it might have seemed. Also, my pre-1982 And, take the time and professional training to get to know how it feels to defend yourself in a close-combat type of scenario. Wolfe played for the Broncos from 2012-19 and the Ravens in 2020. I dont think it is funny to not mention bear spray. Personally, Ive only seen a grizzly bear from the comfortable confines of a vehicle, but that boar in Yellowstone Park made a lasting impression. Perfect gun to have, I dont own one to date but I would love to have a monster K frame, you could practice with 45 long Colts. Back in the 70s, this form of competition was only for revolvers. 540 gr leaving the 7 barrel at 1200 FPS. Further.. having been in life threatening situations .. having a myriad of tools to choose from.. Is just not always a benefit. Once at night on a fishing trip in the beartooths we had a grizzly fooling around out side the tent, Out I went with my trusty .475 in one hand and a flashlight in the other. cougars feral dogs In states like California that have outlawed hunting of mountain lions they have become increasingly bold in recent years and what was once common in ancient times i.e. He lives every day with brown bears and has guided to dozens if not hundreds of them. These people were lucky they didnt get rabies. They come in 45 Win Mag and 50 AE as well. My grandparents have a home on rockytop Tennessee, with a few caves. Feature Articles, A Colorado runner who fought off and killed a mountain lion who ambushed him is speaking out about the attack that left him with multiple gashes to his . Id never seen tracks that huge. I do reload them hot. I would also explore all the different kinds ammo available that would be the best for an attack by a bear. He said none. My Glock 10 mm w/ 15 + 1,in I carry a SW 500 in a chest rig as backup. Any bear is a big, tough critter and to stop them you will need to penetrate and break stuff like big bones or skulls. Personally, I do my best to avoid any encounter that could turn ugly, but thats not always the case. Powerful but lower recoil than a .454 Casull, .460 or a .500 S&W. A mountain lion's skull is thicker than that of a human, and they can survive shots from firearms that are much more powerful. But I enjoy listening to people who think they know everything prove they dont. When I fleshed the bear skull I filled a 5 gallon bucket with muscle meat from the skull. If so, what is the problem? In the question of "Is the .22 LR Long Rifle within the ideal range of suitable calibers for cougar or . I think it was POOR ARTICLE FROM A PERSON WHO IS SITTING IN AN ARM CHAIR MOSTLY AND BASTE ON HEAR SAY. I own several Casulls, but my favorite handgun is a 5-inch, custom Freedom Arms Model 83 that Ken Kelly tricked out for me. I have never had a chance to stop a bear yet buy was close to one in Yellow Stone park a few years ago when the bear came May 23, 2022 / by / in . Once you get over 300gr. They understood the dangers. We were given dominance over the animals, and we all got here at the same time. With 158-grain bullets moving at nearly 800 fps, this probably represents along with the 9mm Luger the lower end of the spectrum, as far as a defensive bear gun goes. In my tests with 300 gr. They have great hunting senses that help them spot prey along with sharp claws and powerful bites. No browns in this neck of the woods so no need for the really big bore guns. . A long barrel revolver or pistol in very close quarters. They only work if you have them with you. 07-11-2013, 08:10 AM. Just no big name in the periodicals. If a domestic animal (pet/livestock) is injured or killed by a mountain lion, the owner has the legal right in California to have the mountain lion killed. Something else. Hard cast bullets at 1100 fps. Which one are you going to use first? May 24, 2022 Alexis. Lesson learned never keep food for bears in your camp site. We see bears here and there I have never had to shoot one however I carry my Freedom Arms 454 Casull 7 1/2 Barrel. a Ruger Blackhawk, chambered in .45 Colt, stainless finish with a 7 -inch barrel. get of his ass and go out in the woods with his 38. Id have gladly traded it for a snub-nose .38 Special. Bear is a bear, you underestimate them at your own peril. Lmaoand excellent thought below about the 454 brass trimmed down. She ran out of there at Mach 3, with her blue hair on fire. is excellent. Its been years since Ive regularly shot revolvers. Mountain lions are very dangerous animals that are capable of killing creatures larger than themselves. Its a gun I have confidence in when The one time I did push these cases was to experiment with that claim, and after 5 heavy loadings, the primer pockets were very loose, but no sign of any case separation. By the time I am loaded with bow, backpack, and tree stand, I am at 50 plus pounds and I am 50+. double action using 250gr. Buy .357 magnum at the minimum. Owing to circumstances at their place, I wasnt able to go. Lions are very powerful and usually kill large animals, such as deer and elk. I dont recall if it ran on Discovery, National Geographic or The History Channel. Mountain lion attacks on humans, however, are rare in Colorado, with Colorado Parks and Wildlife counting fewer than 20 over the past 30 years. wolves Ill stick I recommended getting a .357 Magnum or a larger caliber. They are not fun to shoot, not fun to carry. But lower recoil than a sharp stick till she decides shes done fleshed. Mach 3, with her blue hair on fire on barrel length barrel at 1200.! 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